不善and 不擅

cannot be used on its own, it appear only in a few compounds phrases Example: 不善理財，不善辭令，不善律己While 不擅(shortened from 不擅長- ... WordoftheMoment... 迫力bik1lik6;bik6lik1 brake AllForums |Help |Etiquette |CantoDict |CantoDictParser Customquiz(guestmode) Pleaseidentifythischaracter:laang5laang5*1-cold;cool;chillyPleasechoose...兄冷豐斬眞結計左卑角Ihavenoidea! ViewreportcardWelcome! LogIn Viewusermap CreateANewProfile RecentMessages Home > 1:CantoneseDiscussion > Topic Advanced 不善and不擅PostedbyTang  ForumList MessageList NewTopicTang 不善and不擅February01,201604:52AM Registered:03/18/2012Posts:2,718Myunderstandof不善and不擅:不善(notgoodat...)cannotbeusedonitsown,itappearonlyinafewcompoundsphrasesExample:不善理財，不善辭令，不善律己While不擅(shortenedfrom不擅長-notskilledat...) canbeusedasawordclauseoraspartofafourcharactersphrase不擅作偽(aspartofafourcharactersphrase)不擅與人溝通/不擅長夜戰 (asawordclause)Ithink不善emphasizeon"theharm"oflackingaskill,while不擅juststatethefactthatsomeoneis"lacking"askill.Butitstillconfusemeinmanycases-- shoulditbe 不善辭令 or不擅辭令? 不善律己 or不擅律己?DoIhavetochooseonlyone?Oreitherwayisfine?Reply QuoteMr.K Re:不善and不擅February01,201605:26AM Registered:08/29/2003Posts:2,719擅isaverb(asacontractionof擅長);善isanadverb.Thus,wewouldsay不擅交際([someonewho]isnotgoodatsocialising)but能歌善舞([someonewho]cansinganddance).擅canalsobeanadverb,asin擅自使用.But,ofcourse,suchcontextcaneasilybedistinguished.Reply QuoteTang Re:不善and不擅February01,201605:45AM Registered:03/18/2012Posts:2,718QuoteMr.K 擅isaverb(asacontractionof擅長);善isanadverb.Thus,wewouldsay不擅交際([someonewho]isnotgoodatsocialising)but能歌善舞([someonewho]cansinganddance).擅canalsobeanadverb,asin擅自使用.But,ofcourse,suchcontextcaneasilybedistinguished.Iamstillnotsure.擅長="Skilledat/goodat"Idon'tthinkitisaverb,itismorelikeanadverb善舞="goodatdancing"therefore善=goodat,isalsoanadverb擅於(good/skilledat)攻擊(attack) 擅長(good/skilledat)攻擊(attack)，能(capableat)攻(attack)擅(skilledat)守(defend)能(capableat)攻(attack)善(efficientat)守(defend) that'swhyIamnotsuretheycan'treplaceeachothers**善舞inidioms長袖善舞means擅長擺佈Ihaveafeelingthat「善」(notacontraction)isaclassicalversionofmodernphrase「擅長」Edited3time(s).Lasteditat02/01/201606:27AMbyTang.Reply QuoteMr.K Re:不善and不擅February01,201601:57PM Registered:08/29/2003Posts:2,719>擅長="Skilledat/goodat"Idon'tthinkitisaverb,itismorelikeanadverbNo,擅長isaverbbecauseitcanbeputinaSOVpattern,asinXX對於YY並不擅長.Youcan'tsayXX對於YY並不善於.Hence,擅長isaverb,but善於isnot.>擅於(good/skilledat)攻擊(attack)Itshouldbe善於.>Ihaveafeelingthat「善」(notacontraction)isaclassicalversionofmodernphrase「擅長」No.Theyjusthappentosoundalike.Reply QuoteTang Re:不善and不擅February01,201602:56PM Registered:03/18/2012Posts:2,718QuoteMr.K >擅長="Skilledat/goodat"Idon'tthinkitisaverb,itismorelikeanadverbNo,擅長isaverbbecauseitcanbeputinaSOVpattern,asinXX對於YY並不擅長.Youcan'tsayXX對於YY並不善於.Hence,擅長isaverb,but善於isnot.>攻於(good/skilledat)攻擊(attack)Itshouldbe善於.>Ihaveafeelingthat「善」(notacontraction)isaclassicalversionofmodernphrase「擅長」No.Theyjusthappentosoundalike.Canyouclarify能攻善守/能攻擅守forme?canIuseeitheroneorithastobepickonlyone?能攻善守-善於進攻及防守能攻擅守-擅長進攻及防守/對進攻和防守都很擅長Reply QuoteCChiu Re:不善and不擅February01,201603:16PM Registered:05/02/2004Posts:9,217Mr.Kwrote:擅長isaverb,but善於isnot.Accordingtomyhomedictionary(ANewCenturyChinese-EnglishDictionary),both擅長and善於areaverb.擅長means“begoodat;beexpertin”.Examplesinclude擅長書畫(begoodatpaintingandcalligraphy),擅長修理(beskillfulatrepairingthings),擅長外交(beanoldhandatdiplomacy).善於means“begoodat;beadeptin”.Examplesinclude善於辭令(haveareadytongue),善於用人(knowhowtochoosetherightpersonfortherightjob),善於應變(begoodatmeetinganemergency).Ithink善於isaverbbasedonEnglishgrammarbutalsoanadjectivebasedonChinesesemantics.InfactmanygrammariansonChineselanguagehavesaidthatthedistinctionbetweenChineseverbsandadjectivesarenotveryclear.Someofthemevenequateadjectives(suchas好熟佢and傻傻地)withstativeverbs(suchas好鍾意and識識地).Whenusedaspredicates,Chineseadjectivesandverbsbehaveverymuchinthesameway.Tangwrote:Canyouclarify能攻善守/能攻擅守forme?Iwouldprefer能攻善守with善meaning“beadeptin”.擅ismostlyrelatedtoanexpert.Reply QuoteTang Re:不善and不擅February01,201603:22PM Registered:03/18/2012Posts:2,718QuoteCChiu Mr.Kwrote:擅長isaverb,but善於isnot.Accordingtomyhomedictionary(ANewCenturyChinese-EnglishDictionary),both擅長and善於areaverb.擅長means“begoodat;beexpertin”.Examplesinclude擅長書畫(begoodatpaintingandcalligraphy),擅長修理(beskillfulatrepairingthings),擅長外交(beanoldhandatdiplomacy).善於means“begoodat;beadeptin”.Examplesinclude善於辭令(haveareadytongue),善於用人(knowhowtochoosetherightpersonfortherightjob),善於應變(begoodatmeetinganemergency).Ithink善於isaverbbasedonEnglishgrammarbutalsoanadjectivebasedonChinesesemantics.InfactmanygrammariansonChineselanguagehavesaidthatthedistinctionbetweenChineseverbsandadjectivesarenotveryclear.Someofthemevenequateadjectives(suchas好熟佢and傻傻地)withstativeverbs(suchas好鍾意and識識地).Whenusedaspredicates,Chineseadjectivesandverbsbehaveverymuchinthesameway.Tangwrote:Canyouclarify能攻善守/能攻擅守forme?Iwouldprefer能攻善守with善meaning“beadeptin”.擅ismostlyrelatedtoanexpert.Icansee,善書畫/善於書畫isahigherassessment(apraise)than擅書畫/擅長書畫then?**differencebetweenartistandtrainedexpert.**Fromnowon,Ishoulduse善forpositiveassessmentanduse擅asneutralassessment,correct?善(於)理財-不善理財，善(於)辭令-不善辭令，善(於)律己-不善律己擅(長)作偽-不擅作偽Edited4time(s).Lasteditat02/01/201603:38PMbyTang.Reply QuoteMr.K Re:不善and不擅February01,201604:56PM Registered:08/29/2003Posts:2,719>Ithink善於isaverbbasedonEnglishgrammarbutalsoanadjectivebasedonChinesesemantics.Idon'tsubscribetotheviewthatwecancombineanadjectivewith於tomakeita"verb,"butseewhereyouarecomingfromwhenyousaythisviewisbasedonEnglish.FromwhereIseeit,mypreviousexamplealreadyrefutedthepossibilitythat善於isaverb.Edited1time(s).Lasteditat02/01/201604:58PMbyMr.K.Reply QuoteMr.K Re:不善and不擅February01,201604:59PM Registered:08/29/2003Posts:2,719>Canyouclarify能攻善守/能攻擅守forme?Itshouldbe能攻善守.Reply QuoteMr.K Re:不善and不擅February01,201605:08PM Registered:08/29/2003Posts:2,719>Icansee,善書畫/善於書畫isahigherassessment(apraise)than擅書畫/擅長書畫then?>**differencebetweenartistandtrainedexpert.>**Fromnowon,Ishoulduse善forpositiveassessmentanduse擅asneutralassessment,correct?Nosuchdifferencebetweenpositiveandneutralinpracticalconversation.Only擅書畫makessenseinthiscontext.Reply QuotePage1of2    Pages: 12 NewerTopic OlderTopicPrintView 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